Posts by Incognigo Montoya

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How would you reason with a JW that it is okay to say Good Luck?

by Iamallcool in

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any takers?.

Incognigo Montoya

I have heard "good luck" said in the hall, by an elder, from the platform. As with many things, while deemed inappropriate because of its origin, it has become a figure of speech in our modern era. Depending on a JW's personality and rationale, they will be more or less inclined to use it. True, it is frowned upon, and the society has admonished its followers of its pagan origins, but it's one of those things that, if not said often, and in front of brother stringent, it would be shrugged off. Now, if you ask any of them if using "good luck" is acceptable by a Christian, well good luck getting any answer other than no.

I was was once admonished that saying "unfortunate" was bad, as it was a derivative of fortune (as in fortune telling). How can a person using the English language not use the words fortunate or unfortunate (fortunately, unfortunately), at some point? They have become an ingrained part of our language and evolved in their meaning, beyond what the initial root word intended.

...but, you could use that in your argument. Ask if they have a problem using the words fortunate, unfortunate.

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I Got My Best Friend Back

by Saethydd in

yesterday morning i woke up to an incredibly unexpected text message on my phone.

my best friend from before i was disfellowshipped had sent me a really long message.

he apologized for the way things had been and told me how much he missed me, and then he told he respected my decision, that he understood and didn't harbor any bad feelings against me for it, that all he wants is for me to be happy.. i responded to his message and told him that if he wanted me to explain my reasons i would, but that we needn't discuss them if he would rather not.

Incognigo Montoya

Congrats! There's nothing like reuniting with a long lost, close friend. I hope he continues to think for himself and your friendship continues to thrive.

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Apparently I am not worth saving ,why else would they acknowledge me and then pass on by.

by smiddy3 in

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jw`s were in my area for the first time in i don`t know how long.i`m in a regional area.

anyhow i was walking down my driveway with the purpose of going around to my outside fence to spray poison along the fence boundary.. across the road were two witness ladies talking together on the opposite side of the road and could clearly see me coming out of my house.

i proceeded to rake away newly mowed grass to better expose the area i was going to poison along my fence.. when the two ladies ,maybe 40`s and 50`s ?

Incognigo Montoya

😂@tight pants.

Funny stuff, nicalaou!

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Can we ever get our loved ones out?

by SnakesInTheTower in

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friends

a post on another thread got me to thinking and writing.. should we even be trying to get our loved ones out of jehovah's witnesses?.

when a person truly believes in their belief system, or even if they don't but have held to that system for a long time, there is nothing we can say that will move them from that system.. why?

perhaps pride.

Incognigo Montoya

You are not much older than I, and I can relate a bit to your feelings towards your mother. Congratulations on living your life and furthering your education despite your upbringing and influence from the organization. Sounds like, despite it all, you've got your head screwed on straight. Good for you! Not easy to do after coming out of that life.

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Apparently I am not worth saving ,why else would they acknowledge me and then pass on by.

by smiddy3 in

jw
friends

jw`s were in my area for the first time in i don`t know how long.i`m in a regional area.

anyhow i was walking down my driveway with the purpose of going around to my outside fence to spray poison along the fence boundary.. across the road were two witness ladies talking together on the opposite side of the road and could clearly see me coming out of my house.

i proceeded to rake away newly mowed grass to better expose the area i was going to poison along my fence.. when the two ladies ,maybe 40`s and 50`s ?

Incognigo Montoya

Perhaps their territory line borders the street and their congregation only works the other side of your street. Some individuals, and congregations, take territory boundaries very seriously.

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What would make an Ex-Jw go back to been a full in Baptized JW

by LOLS in

i was just wondering , why would my jw husband return to been a full blown baptized jw after 20 years of fading?.

he has spent 20 years of his life been a worldly person , with a worldly wife & kids & worldly friends .... to joining the borg full time , to getting baptized , to getting new brothers & sisters .... and to writing off most of his worldly friends (some his known his whole life ) , to trying to convince me & our children how wonderful this org is ......and anyone else who will listen :(.

has anyone ever experienced this ...... oh and he seems to be in it 110% and no-one can say anything about this crazy org or show him proof that it all bs...... his such a clever independent , successful guy , why on earth would he go back to this , after been out for so many years & change into this domineering , opinionated fool ..... oh and his entire family also went back ... father , mother , brother & sister .

Incognigo Montoya

I left, married, started a family, and then decided to go back. (I left after having been DF'd) I spent 13 years or so away. I had a personal tragic experience, and felt it was time to get serious about my beliefs. That whole time I never stopped believing. Every time I saw a crazy national, or world event, even a natural disaster, my mind automatically attributed it to the time of the end and the signs showing it was drawing near. I worried not only for myself, but for my family. Perhaps this is his reasoning? 'It might be too late for me, but if I just expose my wife and children, perhaps it will take hold in them and they will become good witnesses as a result.'; this was my line of reasoning.

If he was raised as a JW, no doubt thats a large part in his decision. It can be so ingrained into you that its virtually impossible to forget. If his parents and family went back, or never left, this can play a significant role in his decision as well. It did for me.

In simplified terms, if my parents taught me that the color Orange was actually Purple, instilled it in me, taught me from books, took me to meetings three times a week, where others taught me Orange was actually Purple, told me that my life depended on knowing that as fact. That everyone who ever told me Orange was actually what I was seeing, were all liars and were trying to mislead me. Even after opening my mind to the possibility, and being shown scientific, absolute proof, I would forever have a difficult time ever seeing Orange as Orange. I would always question if it were truly orange, or in fact purple. At some point, it may prove too difficult, even after learning the truth and accepting Orange is Orange, I may make the choice (even subconsciously) that it's easier, less exhausting, less stressful, to just go back to believing what I was taught as a child. After all, it can be easier to not think for oneself, and permit others to do your thinking for you, even if it means giving up the right to choose for ones self. This can happen to anyone, no matter their level of intelligence.

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Hello...

by Incognigo Montoya in

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friends

well, i've been lurking for a bit.

first out of cautious curiosity, then, though feeling a bit more comfortable to post, got caught in the confirmation email anomaly, and left unable to post or participate.

so i remained lurking, reading and researching.

Incognigo Montoya

What's your History and Experiences with JW's?

James Jack, if you look at my previous reply to Vanderhoven7 (page2), I shared a bit, about as much as I'm willing to share at the moment. When I'm ready, I'll share more.

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Kinky details to JW boys death

by Kep in

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friends

this boys disappearance was big news in nz.. searches were done a number of times in the area.. finally his body was found.. this article has just appeared with some rather unusual details surrounding his disappearance.. http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1159345a11,ff.html.

you might have to key in the full address to open the article, but i've pasted it as well.. teen went missing after prank .

07 april 2002 .

Incognigo Montoya

Unbelievable! How do 5 adults not exhaust every effort to find a lost child as well as contact his father and or authorities that very night?! What a tragic story, with far reaching ramifications. My heart goes out to Rami.

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Moving Out Date !!

by jdash in

so, i guess the upcoming stuff i'm going to say is good to me.

my grandmother, yesterday, wanted to talk about some stuff.

she had pondered on me leaving at 18 and finally said to me that i can leave whenever, so if i wanted to leave tonight, she wouldn't stop me.

Incognigo Montoya

The world can "eat you up and spit you out". It happens to lots of people every day. But all parents and grandparents worry about that when it comes to their offspring venturing off on their own. We all know what she as a witness means when she says that, but every parent worries about the general well being and welfare of their child.

Keep your wits about you. Trust your gut, your intuition, your sense of right and wrong. Be slow to trust others and quick to trust yourself. Do that and you'll be fine out there in the real world. Good luck and have fun!

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Crazy ass cart witnessing!

by Crazyguy in

i know i know we have all read about it but my mom goes out in service to this crazy cart witnessing crap.

so they go sit by the cart for a half hour then they get back into the car to warm up and the next two sisters take over for a half hours etc.

but then there is at least one brother siting in his car to watch and over see the sisters so he can be like their security.

Incognigo Montoya

A few years back, on a visit to NYC, I stayed in Brooklyn and as entered the subway station and walked down a long corridor leading to the platforms, I came across a group cart witnessing. I hadnt been active for some time, but was familiar with the practice, though I'd never actually seen it before. I thought "oh some friendly witnesses". I approached the gentleman who was sitting there and said hello, and spoke with him for a few moments. He seemed less than enthusiastic to converse with me, though. The woman near him seemed more pleasant and happy to be there. After walking away, I observed them and another group for a few minutes and they didn't seem particularly enthusiastic about what they were doing. They approached no one. Just sat there like mannequins in a window display, as the commuters passed by. In hindsight, I think the man I spoke with was surprised, almost shocked, by my approaching him. It was undoubtedly an odd situation, not the preaching work I was raised up in.